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An interesting issue has risen on the BB thread over dealing with gout and BP at the same time. This is something I've been struggling with a long while.
In fact , as mentioned before BP meds [ ie: Thiazides] are pretty well implicated in causing gout- it even says so on the label supplied. I won't go into this issue here, as it is accepted knowledge, though annoying to live with.
The purpose of my post here is to highlight the problem of upping the water intake to a level that will flush out urates liberated by whatever means possible.
Be it meds, diet or natural cures the need for increased fluid balance to the tune of +30% [even transiently] to flush the deposits through is counter useful to BP management, esp. where diuretics are employed. This working against the grain in BP management has caused me to go back to my correct BP meds dose- which is by the by- I know it is acidifying, but am working hard to counteract the WORST efffects of this medical requirement whilst helping to redress the PH balance to help clear gout precursor, UA.
The casualty in this has to be protein intake- but I don't think i'm going to fall over anytime soon -being well padded for transients like this
I hope Juliana catches this, btw.
Hi Trev!
Found the antidote!!
http://www.britannica.com/bps/…..d-Pressure
I'm certainly giving it ago, this tendency to hypertension in gout suffers also transfers to the closest family member by osmosis!
Yes, I've tried and have fridge full, it will cause thirst in me, too. Tomorrow i ease off the water a bit as I have to work at in anyway. Don't need much excuse.
Trouble is I don't really like dark chocolate but I'll have a hot chocolate soon to celebrate your new diet Jule!¬
On the BP numbers, I need 30% down rather than the 3% qouted !
Don’t want to change the subject here but I think keeping a good stream of water flowing in and out is important even when not working on BP along with the gout. I may be paranoid about SUA at this point but it can’t hurt. I’m doing about 5 to 6 litters a day and still take the 1/2 teaspoon baking soda just before bed.
That's OK Richard , – my emphasis was more on the water intake- but looking for secondary clues as to how to implement it best.
BP is just a very useful focal point, as it's well understood (if not treated that well,especially for Gouties), and often presents with gout.
The issue is really too opposite requirements fighting in the middle, as so often happens.
I would like to try Soda Bicarb (Note: Not baking powder! ) -but don't want to destabilise my salt balance right now.
It's a good short cut, I think, but at the usual price!- loss of homeostasis.
I know that this won't apply to some people as high BP is caused by a variety of reasons. Before embarking on my serious journey to kick gout's ass, I was diagnosed with hypertension. Nothing astronomical, but definitely high for someone of my age (35) and who was pretty physically active. I was in the 'high' category (145/85 on avg. I believe). When I got serious about my gout and became more aware of the steps I needed to take, I made a conscious choice to seriously alter my diet and stop any intake of alcohol. I wouldn't call myself a vegetarian now by any means, but I have completely stopped eating any meat other than the occasional salmon or mahi mahi. I have had no alcohol now since August. Overall, this has been very beneficial for me as a whole. I still live with almost constant gout attacks as my body purges the excess UA that has built up over 15 years, but my BP has dramatically decreased. I went in to the clinic today to refill my perscription of Allopurinol, was in pretty bad pain from multiple attacks I'm currently suffering through, but my BP, even with the pain which usually elevates my BP in to the 150 zone, was surprisingly normal. I directly attribute this to my diet and lack of alcohol.
Yes, it sucks living in Germany, the land of sausage and beer, and having to obstain from a couple of things that the Germans actually get right, but I manage. 😉
I'm sure you're on the right track Nate.
High retained uric acid has many outcomes in my book.
Reading about that trial in the US about teen' High BP being reduced by AlloP comes to mind. it was discussed here a few months back and I must follow up the case again- as my BP still needs to come down, along withthe meds for it- I must stress.
I'm hoping that keeping my SUA levels around the 5mg/dl will help this aim and further now clocking the morning acid water reading to check clearance is occuring.
One particular case in this gout saga where higher 'acid readings' (Lower Ph.)are actually good- so long as the reading is more alkaline (ie:higher Ph) later in the day.
Good job no needles are involved 😉
I remember Germany years ago and the rate of sausage stuffing and Schnapps sinking was humungous. I think we both need a better lifestyle – certainly you have many more years to plan for!
Good health will make them much more pleasant!
NateA said:
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Yes, it sucks living in Germany, the land of sausage and beer, and having to abstain from a couple of things that the Germans actually get right, …
Well, thank you Nate. I knew, we got a couple of things actually right. I wished I was back in your shoes again.
hansinnm said:
NateA said:
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Yes, it sucks living in Germany, the land of sausage and beer, and having to abstain from a couple of things that the Germans actually get right, …
Well, thank you Nate. I knew, we got a couple of things actually right. I wished I was back in your shoes again.
I love it here, man. Where are you at now? Are you from Deutschland? We're finally getting a real winter this year! I just wish I could sit down to a nice Jaegger Schnitzel mit pommes dinner along with downing a couple of liters of zoigl brew while watching the snow fall! NateA said:
Post edited 4:19 pm – January 30, 2010 by NateA
I love it here, man. Where are you at now? Are you from Deutschland? …
Are you from Deutschland? Yes, I am, from Trier, the wine capital of Germany.
Where are you at now? I, now, live in New Mexico (for the last 14 years) and I DO love where I live, I just don't care for the people and their politics.
Trier is beautiful. I have a good friend who lives in Duddeldorf which is about 45 minutes from Trier. We made a trip to Luxembourg and then stopped in Trier for a day last summer. I really enjoyed it!
My wife actually got her Masters degree at UNM. There are some beautiful parts of that state, but I'm not sure if I could hack some of the people for too long – especially for 14 years!
I'm currently living in Parsberg, a small town between Regensburg and Nurnberg just off of the A3. It's a great little town and the area offers up a lot of interesting things for us to do. We really like it!
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